GAZING AT RYAN PFLUGER
20-Apr-08 by Weston Bingham

24 year old Brooklyn-based Ryan Pfluger describes his work variously as “fabrications, idealized relationships, memories, re-creations, and relationships that may or may not have existed”. The work here is from three bodies of work. “Not Without My Father” a series of photographs of both new and recreated memories of his once estranged father. “About a Boy”, a series of self-portraits exploring and re-evaluating his issues as a gay suburban teenager, and “Men I’ve Met”, a series of portraits of friends, lovers or strangers.
Weston: I think we need a soundtrack. Pick your song.
Ryan: That’s a tough one, depends on my mood. But something like “Ceremony” by Joy Division, “Hounds of Love” by Kate Bush or “Free Money” by Patti Smith.
W: Joy Division it is.
Lets start a few short years ago with your teen years in suburbia. Give us a little background.
R: Childhood… childhood. Well, I had a very interesting childhood/teenage life. Without going too deep into specifics, I was a huge outcast. Not that it’s very unusual for any teenager, especially a gay one, but my family life made it more difficult at the time for sure. I took care of my mother for about nine years because she had breast cancer, and both my parents had serious drug and alcohol addictions. I was beat up a lot. I grew up in a very Italian neighborhood - pretty much if you weren’t a manly man who played football or soccer you were beat on. I, on the other hand, was the President of the musical and did the Olympics of Visual Arts… aka, big faggot.
W: Suburbia tends to engender a lot of… issues. How do these play out in your work?
R: Well, especially with my self-portraits, which is what I focus a lot of my energy on now, it’s a big part of the work. I revisit places and re-evaluate what my life was, what shaped me into who I am today and pay homage to that. Pretty much taking a negative and making it into a positive. Embracing my awkwardness and geek-like nature, such as the photograph of my X-Men comic books, which as a young kid I would fantasize about - being a superhero or rather, having sex with a superhero. Same goes with the photograph of me playing with my action figures. They were my real friends growing up.

W: One of the dominant qualities of your work is its insistence on visual honesty, but your subjects are “fabrications, idealized relationships, memories, re-creations, and relationships that may or may not have existed”. How does that dichotomy work for you?
R: I say it all the time in artist statements and whatnot… I am a very socially-awkward person. I think it’s interesting especially as a portrait photographer, to be that way. I use photography as my way of connecting to people. It’s a situation where you have to be at least in physical proximity - close to someone. My camera is kind of my safety net. A lot of people think I sleep with all the boys I photograph or things of that nature. I don’t, but it doesn’t mean I dont fantasize about it. I fall out of touch with a lot of people I photograph, and then am able to reconnect by photographing them again. It’s an interesting process for me.
W: I think one of the most interesting things about your work is your choice of subjects. You and your models share the same physical presence, similar age, superficially the same sort of look, build, posture. Mostly gay I’m assuming. Even the underwear is very much the same. In multiple ways they are your peers. You are photographing your generation and your culture, no?
R: It’s so great that you brought that up. I was meeting with Hali Feldman, the photo editor at Details last Friday, and she said the same thing. I’m very very conscious of who I photograph, and seek them out - internet stalk even. I kind of look at them as different facets of myself - personality traits I’d like to have, different subtle physical traits. Almost as if it’s self-portraiture through different people. I think five or ten years from now, I’ll be photographing the same people, just older. Gay culture has so many different facets now, that I photograph what closely relates to me. Bears or musclemen just don’t do it for me. However, I am really into gay skins at the moment.
W: What do you see as your role or agenda as THAT photographer?
R: I’ll probably talk about this again, but I think I bring something different than other gay artists/photographers who are working now. I am very nostalgic and sensitive and I think that’s a driving force in my role as an artist. I don’t think, as a gay artist, I need to show sex or hard-ons to show how my sexuality affects my work. I want people to be able to look at my work for awhile and reflect about their own lives and relationships, whatever sexuality they may be.
W: Are you photographing yourself even when you’re not the model? What do you get from yourself as a model that you don’t get from your models, and vice versa?
R: Yes, 100%. I’ll leave it at that.


W: Would you date you?
R: If I had a gay twin who was attracted to me, I’d be the happiest person in the world. I think I only say that because I’m an only-child and don’t really know the whole brotherhood thing. But, in reality, no I wouldn’t date me. One of me is enough to handle.
W: You’ve said before that you’re playing with the idea that your subjects may or may not have been your lovers.
R: I mostly say that because when people see nudity, for the most part people automatically see intimacy. Intimacy leads to becoming lovers sometimes. I love the fact that I can photograph people I’m intimate with exactly the same as those I meet on the day of a shoot. Again, it’s all about the connection with the subject.
W: In a most of your work you can really sense a dialogue going on between you and the models.

R: The dialogue for the most part is silence, at least when I’m taking photographs. I’m very very quiet and don’t give any direction at all. I talk in between rolls, but I actually think the silence helps make the work what it is. It becomes almost a comfortable tension. There’s an oxymoron for you.
W: Would you describe your work as sentimental? Maybe nostalgic?
R: Yes, yes, yes. I cry looking at my photographs sometimes. But a good cry. I feel lucky to have known the people I’ve photographed, whether we had a relationship for just that day, or if I’ve known them for ten years. So yeah, very sentimental.
W: The expressions on your models - their eyes - almost sad or melancholy. Some of them look like they’re about to cry.


R: I know, and I love it. I’m obsessed with the gaze - have you noticed? It totally has to do with how my photographic sessions go. I think the silence, and the fact that it’s always just me and the subject leads to a real vulnerability. I rarely photograph couples or groups of people.
W: People always discuss the photographers gaze, but what I find striking is what you just mentioned - your subjects gaze.
R: Well, I always like my subjects to look at me. There is something that transpires through that interaction and onto the photograph.
W: What sort of response, rational or emotional, are you trying to elicit form your audience?
R: I just want people to think. That’s what makes art in any form such a beautiful thing. I don’t have expectations of my viewer, except to take time with the work. Society today is so much about instant gratification. I can look at a Peter Hujar photograph over and over again and still get something out of it. That’s what I want people to take away with my work.
W: Who do you want to photograph that you haven’t yet?
R: The list is very long actually. Mostly women, surprisingly. I have a real obsession with actresses - Naomi Watts (who I have a tattoo of), Toni Collette, Jennifer Jason Leigh - it goes on and on. BUT, at the top of the list is Gaspard Ulliel. I want to get him naked, photograph him, and then have my way with him.
W: What’s your next concert?
R: I don’t go as much as I used to. I was big into going to shows when I was younger. However, last night I saw The Gossip. I photographed them like two years ago, and they’re all such amazing people. Great show, and Nathan is looking hot these days.
W: What’s your next tattoo?
R: I’m actually getting two next week. An old-school Mom and Dad tattoo. One on each side of my neck.

all photos ©Ryan Pfluger. Ryan is represented by Envoy in NYC. Check out his great blog.


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W: OK back to your work. Can you explain what you mean when you say your work is “revealing and subverting identity”?




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