by
Saheer
18-Mar-11

This Sunday, March 20th, East Village Boys teams up again with art collective BLVCK AMERICA for the third installment of their BLVCK EYE film screening series at Liberty Hall at Ace Hotel New York. As guest presenters, EVB will be showing the cult classic Boys in the Sand by legendary director Wakefield Poole. Since we’re so excited to be showing this classic flick, we invited the film’s director to join us for a very rare Q&A session at the screening. To get your juices flowing for the upcoming event, we decided to double team Wakefield for an interview and get some insight on his body of work.


Saheer Umar: You are a respected filmmaker within the experimental film realm, yet your cult status is owed to your earlier work as a pioneering gay porn director. Is what you make “art”? Is it “porn”? What is the difference?
Wakefield Poole: A film is a film is a film. Every film is made in the same way. Film, camera, subject, shooting, developing, editing, distribution, and exhibition. This can be accomplished with thought and great care, or not. Billy Wilder once said, "That any film gets completed is a miracle!" When I made Boys in the Sand I 'd never made a film before, so I'd say it was an experimental film. I even edited the original film. I didn't know what a work print was. However the content was sexual and it gained it's reputation as the first crossover sex film, straight or gay. Bijou [above] was very experimental, as was Bible [below]. I learned more with each film I made. But, there’s always a “but”. I always say "Once a pornographer , always a pornographer!"



Saheer: Do you consider yourself part of the experimental film community or the porn community? Where do you feel more accepted?
Wakefield: I'm finally getting some recognition as an experimental filmmaker, sharing the bill with some of the best - [Andy] Warhol and [Kenneth] Anger. A short film I made for Andy's exhibit at the Whitney Museum is now in the film collection at the Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh.
Richard Welch: In your films there is a lot of tenderness and kissing, was that important to you?
Wakefield: What I filmed was real and the actors knew that I wanted a romantic feel to it. The first section of Boys in the Sand is about innocence and experimentation, the second about falling in love and finding a partner, and the third about freedom to be everything. Top, bottom and both at the same time. No role-playing. Each film I made was what I was thinking and where I was at the time.
Richard: There was no Viagra in those days - who was the fluffer?
Wakefield: I had no fluffer. There was only the cast, my camera and me. I didn't even have a crew much less a fluffer. I made sure that there was some attraction on the part of the actors. They really wanted each other.

Richard: For the sex scenes how many takes were there - or was it just one?
Wakefield: I didn't do multiple takes. For the sex scenes, I set up the action and just filmed. What I saw was what I got. I never instructed the actors as we were shooting. My camera only held 100 feet of film so when I had to change reels, I didn't even call cut. They just continued. I never said, "Now you fuck him for awhile". I really knew what would happen. The only direction I gave was in the exposition.
Saheer: What was the cultural climate like in regards to "Porno Chic" when you released Boys In The Sand?
Wakefield: There was no "Porno Chic". Marvin Shulman and I created it by treating Boys in the Sand like a real movie. We were the first to put our real names on porno, take ads in the New York Times, while risking arrest in doing so. We gave an advance screening for the fashion industry and invited all the legitimate press to previews. This was unheard of at that time. Remembe, Deep Throat opened almost a year after Boys, and they followed our lead in the way they promoted their film. They saw that big money could be made. I believe that Deep Throat wouldn't have happened in the same way without our lead.
I was interviewed for Inside Deep Throat and was asked what I felt about not getting credit for what I did for the porn industry - not just the gay industry but the whole industry. I answered that with their film it just might happen. I didn't make the cut of that film because they decided that it wasn't valid for what they were going for. I hope that all this comes to view with the release of Dirty Poole a new documentary based on my book, directed and produced by Jim Tushinski (That Man: Peter Berlin), which will have its festival premiere hopefully this fall.


Richard: From cruising to hunting: In Boys in the Sand there’s a romantic quality to the cruising. Now, with digital technology we are always on Grindr and the search for a partner has become more like a hunt than a cruise. In the film, a letter is sent and the guy awaits its return - weeks later. How do you think technology is changing the way we play and the way we form and maintain relationships?
Wakefield: You have to remember that these films are 40 years old. Things were not as pat as they are today. People related more to their partners then. We didn't have straight gay-for-pay performers in those days. We had bathhouses, but most cruising was done by just walking around. That's why there is so much walking in my films. I always said my films are about walking, taking off and putting on clothes with some sex thrown in. They are very much about foreplay. Today, that's not important. Take a Viagra, suck a little while, fuck a little while, and shoot you load! Not much more, with exception of Joe Gage who is still turning out some very erotic films. But again, remember, he is part of my era.
Richard: pre-AIDS innocence and carefree attitude - how was Fire Island in those halcyon days? Do you still vacation there? Any secret spots you recommend?
Wakefield: Fire Island was and still is one of the most beautiful places in the world. In the 1970s, there was no other place where you felt as free as you did there once you got off the ferry. I returned there in July of 2010 and the feeling was still there. I felt that at only one other time and place - that was at Woodstock. There the freedom dealt with drugs as much as the freedom to be yourself. No judgment at all.
Saheer: If you were to make a “porno” film today what would you do? Would it be different?
Wakefield: I couldn't make another film today because my films all deal with fantasy. The mood is broken once you suddenly appear out of nowhere wearing a condom. It's a very real thing and always brings you back to the health situation no matter how hot it might be.
Richard: What do you think about the gay porn scene today, with all the amateur content, etc?
Wakefield: I don't watch much porn anymore. I love the fact that young guys are filming themselves now. I believe that once you see yourself in a sexual situation you can never again say "I'm not hot." I'm 75 and while I still enjoy seeing beautiful men, I've been celibate for many years. I've had the best, so why keep trying to top it.
Check out Wakefield Poole’s work and documentary Dirty Pool here dirtypoole.com














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